network via cables

[TamiyaCowboy]

hi guys have stumbled across a network cable (i think) this is whats wrote on cable itself.

Berk-tek 24awg typeCM 75c (UL)CSA PCC60C FT4 Verified TSB40 CAT5 LAN-TEK Hyper Grade.

only problem with it is a clip too hold it inplace is missing, but shouldnt cause me any problems. is this cable a crossover cable ? i hear that i need a crossover cable so two machines can use internet /be networked ? cables much cheaper option than wireless i have found.

am i limited too a certain length when networking with cables ?

[Da_Rude_Baboon]

Hold both ends of the cable together and look at the coloured wires you can see through the clear connector. If the wiring is the same on both ends then its a straight connector, if its different then its a cross. In the IP specifications you are allowed a max cable run of 90 meters iirc.

[lbreevesii]

any local pc shop can put a new end on it for you. ends cost some pocket change and they might charge you a buck to do it. Just in case you want to go that route.

[Reitau]

/\ /\ If only. Maybe in the US

[Starbuck3733T]

it's 100m, not 90.

[TamiyaCowboy]

well everyone

i have my cat5 crossover cable. now before i do anything else what do i need too put onto the other machine. virus software etc etc. also do i need too install the modem drivers. im somewhat daunted by doing this as dont know how it all works. once i share the connection from my machine too another what happens,whos machine is the master and what one is the slave

[fivecheebs]

Make sure the other machine has at least service pack 2 (it is an XP machine isnt it?). You may aswell chuck some AV software on the disk you put SP2 on.

Then you need to go to your machine (this will be the "master" so to speak). Start > Connections > Show all connections. Right click the modem connection > Properties. Then your looking for a check box that says something like "enable Internet Conenction Sharing" (i dont have one here i can look at right now so cant give you accurate directions). This will change some network settings to do with your Network Card, a reboot is probably required.

Go to the other PC, go back into connection settings and find the "local Area COnnection" that referrs to the Network point your going to use. Right Cclick > Properties > TCP/IP > Properties, Select Obtain IP automatically, and Obtain DNS servers automatically.

Plug in the cable and the other machine should now have access to thge internet (unless IE settings prevent it from using a LAN connection - not by default).

hope that helps mate. There are opertunities for this not to work entirely as i stated, if you cant get it going post back and we will help some more :thumb:

[TamiyaCowboy]

thanks guys

i got some 15m cat5 crossover cable. and will hook up tomorrow when things less hectic in the house. both computers have a lan port on the mobo so i shouldnt need a network card i hoping. at least everyone can view the net and update computers.

the computer being networked is a virgin machine. its never been connected too iternet and never had any microsoft updates, i installed SP2 while i popped out too select correct cabling this morning. i thought my computer would act like a firewall and a AV for the network is this right ? or am going down the wrong path.

[fivecheebs]

I would deffinately run AV on both machines, worth running a firewall too even if ICS does do some routing control.

[TamiyaCowboy]

have main AV installed on master rig and also firewalls. the lan ports also say they are firewalled too. slave rig has XP firewall and will also get windows AV installed too. what do you recomend i should install on this slave rig. its basicly just so it updates windows and also play internet games

[fivecheebs]

Once you get it on the network and attached to the gateway (Your PC controlling the internet connection) go to Start > Programs. Up the very top of the list there is a shortcut to windows update. When you try to see avaliable updates it will most likely get the latest versiopn of windows update and instlall and reboot. Then repeat until the updates finish coming (sometimes you have to update the updates).

[TamiyaCowboy]

thanks guys :thumb:

[TamiyaCowboy]

more questions

do i hook up computers first before changing any windows settings ? yes or no ?

usb you can remove when computer is powered up. is the same said for network cables ? can i plug them in with machines powered up ?

thanks fellas :thumb:

[Greeny]

You can remove and re-plug in the cables as you see fit while the machine is running.

[TamiyaCowboy]

problem

i have installed cable but its too short. we arguing over what type of cable we need too bridge the gap. normal patch cable or a crossover extenstion ?

i need 5m of cable too reach my rig

[Greeny]

Normal cable, if you used another crossover then the completed cable would be a normal patch cable as you'd have swapped the communication lines back around by using two crossovers.

[TamiyaCowboy]

thanks guys

me and father can now scrim together (i mean i can pwn hin :D) you guys are great i would have been stuck without you.

[TamiyaCowboy]

everythins is running fine on the networked second rig but... its fairly slow for a 100mb/s link. should i be seeing a slowdown on the slave machine? the master is as quick at loaing as it normaly is but the other rig is somewhat slower? is there any way too get a better speed link between both machines? i finnished getting everything working last night late after msn/mozilla decided too give errors about a gateway problem (dont know what i done but its works now) and wouldnt allow any loging on to the internet.

[fivecheebs]

What exactly is slow? Transfer speeds will most likely be limited to the speed of the slowet HD of the 2 machines.

[Starbuck3733T]

Not so much HD as the fact that the ICS process may not be getting that much CPU in comparison to CS:S.

Best bet is a cheap hardware router now. See if your transfer speeds are better when the "master" PC isn't playing source.

[TamiyaCowboy]

Not so much HD as the fact that the ICS process may not be getting that much CPU in comparison to CS:S.

Best bet is a cheap hardware router now. See if your transfer speeds are better when the "master" PC isn't playing source.

Master PC is at idle and not running css. but the slave will have problems downloading new maps etc etc it hangs then stops downloading. msn when started give a warning " messenger is being used on another computer you have signed out of net passports. IP gateway problem (repair does not fix problem) programs that play up are:

msn messenger : swapped for steam friends beta
internet explorer : swapped too mozilla FF
msn explorer : swapped too mozilla FF.

the above are realy anoying when they stop working. lan settings are correct as is sub gateway mask and ip. could these programs be playing up because the master has these running too, so slave sees the same programs running already. im going too ask wanadoo what is the best hardware router is that will run their speedtouch moden (adsl).

[fivecheebs]

No router worth buying will run that speadtouch afaik. USB modems are really best left as they are. All you need is an adsl router/modem. That will do the switch function, and the modem function + a firewall all in one nice box. Neither you or your dad will be waiting for your PC to "dial" the internet connection either which means less waiting to get on to your favorite forum ;-). Ive used a couple of these (http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/94178/rb/18870929270) and a mate has owned one for 4 or 5 months. They seem very good, wireless too in case you ever want it.



It sounds like you have the same programs, signing on with the same username/password on 2 different machines on the same network. Give your dad's PC its own accounts for MSN etc.... FWIW, you should be able to fix this issue without buying a router if you dont want to (even though you'll wonder why you never did it before when you do eventually get one.)

[TamiyaCowboy]

can understand about a router but, can not understand how i would get internt. i asked in one shop and was told i need all the infomatin like ip etc etc, the chap was running on for some time (5mins) about info i need too ask for to program router with correct settings. it was about this time my eyes and mind wandered off and settled on the lovely bit of totty sitting at the counter :D. so do i just shove the router in and then put my wanadoo modem disc in (sort of plug an play) and run the computer too router.

[Da_Rude_Baboon]

Your router would have a configuration page or wizard were you would enter the username and password for your ISP. That would be pretty much it.

[Greeny]

It is not a simple case of inserting your disc to setup a router. Sometimes their is a manufacturers application which can be used to program the router from the PC, but even in this case you have to do the setup, it will not be automagically configured for you by your ISP's CD.

You require all your ISP's connection details, these should be in an email you received from the ISP, probably when you set the account up. These are then used to configure the router through it's web interface or by using the manufacturers application from your desktop. You don't actually have to enter much information, but it's important you get it correct.

After the ADSL connection is setup their may be additional configuration changes required, some services e.g. ftp, bit-torrent require ports to be forwarded from the router to the computer their hosted on so that the traffic can get through from the internet to the appropriate machine.

If you are not familiar with the process of configuring a router, best to get someone round who is, if possible. Your naiivety on the subject does not fill me with confidence.

[TamiyaCowboy]

wooosh went my brain greeny :o). i think i will leave it be and not go for a router can see me having more problems than it would be worth. never got an email from isp they sent disc too configure the usb modem

[fivecheebs]

Routers are easy.. its just a question of getting used to the way they do stuff.

ICS and crossover cables, are probably a good introdction to networking really. Give it some time, iron out the problems, and learn stuff.

[TamiyaCowboy]

hi guys been a while.

well today i done the right thing and brought a D-Link Adsl modem/router. couple of questions

1. once installed and i have added password and username, my machine wil work. but what about dads how do i set the box too accept his connection too.

2. orange.com has realy broken the camels back. since i been away i have had aournd 12hrs-16hrs downtime. no customer service and indian callcenters. no explanation on why isp went down and also no infomation on what i have used of my monthly max download (30gb worth). im now looking at the BT package for £26.99 with 40 gb limit and the max speed my line will take. whats the new BT package like for stability/ speed etc etc.

thank you

Tam

[fillip]

Can you get Tiscali where you live? I pay £18 p/m for unlimited downloads and upto 8Mb connection - dependant on distance from the exchange.

As for setting up your Dad's PC, the router should come with a Cd that you just run on all machien you have connected to the router and it will automatically configure them for you.

If not, I suggest you have a read through the instructions on how to configure the router through its web based configuration screen

[fivecheebs]

Hi Paul, how have you been?

1, The network cable needs changing from a crossover to a patch cable.
2, The router probably wont need much, if any, setting up for an additional wired LAN client.

If you have replaced the cable already and your dads PC still wont connect then your TCP/IP settings need adjusting. Right click on his network card when you view network connections > Properties > highlight TCP/IP then click Properties. Change the IP and the DNS settings to auto discover and apply. Then you should (depending on the settings on your computer too, but it sounds like its auto detecting so should be OK) be good to go.

[TamiyaCowboy]

thank you guys :D

yeah been a while, around 3 months if im correct. i started playing that eve online game and well have become very addicted too it. cant wait too get this router fitted and have no more lag problems etc etc

thanks again and will start hanging around here more often.

Tam

[TamiyaCowboy]

hi again

fitted router/modem last night and everything works...... well nearly. dads machine uses the wireless connection and everything is somewhat ok except firefox not loading browser when double clicked. me on the other hand am not so happy. takes me 1 min or more for a browser too load. then 1-4 mins for a website too load. the connection is very slow. wanadoo gave me a wrong username so had problems getting it too work, but the speed thing is my main worry its slowing down my whole internet experiance :-(. any ideas why my machine would be tortoise slow when dads is like a greyhound too a hare.

Tam

[TamiyaCowboy]

Dsl-G624t wireless ADSL router.

phoned D-Link today the start too many problems. 40 mins after being on hold a canadian answers an indian canadian. explain my problem that browser loading times can be upto 5 mins for a page. also explains that one computer uses the wireless con and the other uses lan. i am told i have too buy a standard cat cable too install the wireless setup computer (wtf) even though it runs perfect. he then goes on too say my network adaptor if fragged even though on the day of the new router install the computers both hooked by LAN worked perfectly. D-link customer service sucks bigtime i just hung up on the e peen growing carebear.

question: how do i test my network adaptor too put this carebear too rest and show its there stupid router thats at fault and not my setup at my end. i wasted half my money on this router that would have instead seen me buying a new £200 powerkite buggy. am now wishing i never brought the damn thing and stuck with the old usb modem as never had any problems with browsers loading

Tam

[fillip]

Does your modem have an RJ45 port or just the USB port?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you have your PC connected to your Dad's PC via a crossover cable previously? Well, if you can test that again and communication between your PC and his are fine then it's unlikely that it's your NIC.

As someone else suggested above, you have swapped the 'crossover cable' for a 'patch' cable when connecting your PC to the Dlink router haven't you?

[TamiyaCowboy]

paid £80 for the D-link thing and another £30 for 2 x 15m cables (none crossovers). i know the NIC works. me an dad could swap 3mb files at a rate of under 30 seconds when doing direct transfers (i think its called that). only since i installed the d-link router has my system become slow. i kid you not i can wait upto 7 mins for a browser website page too load. just replying too this post took 3 mins for page too load :angry:. alltogether the uk cost for me setting up a Lan network and also a router blah blah blah has cost me nearly £150.
you all know my NIC works fine and i do too but i want too prove too this carebear that works for D-Link that it is there item that is the problem and not my machine.

my old modem had a usb cable too hook up internet, this new d-link has rj45 and wireless G @ 54mbps, the rj45 speed is 24mbps.

Tam

[fillip]

the rj45 speed is 24mbps

Where are you reading that from?

The RJ45 ports on the back of the router will be part of a 10/100mb switch at least, if not 10/100/1000mb, so that speed seems weird.

It may not be a fault product, you caould have some weird configuration going on with your networking protocols or something within the router menu.
Can you make sure your connection settings in IE or FireFox are set to "Automatically detect settings" rather than something else.

On a completely unrelated note, £20 for 2 x 15m of CAT5 is a joke mate.

[Da_Rude_Baboon]

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When you connect to the internet does a dial up window or anything pop up?

Another thing to try: Click start button > Run > type cmd and press enter. > at the DOS command prompt type ping then the ip of your router and tell us what the ping rate is. At the same prompt type ipconfig and tell us what your IP is.

[fivecheebs]

hmm... this is a network setting thing, not a hardware problem. Be patient man, you've not wasted you money, you just need to get a better understanding of networks (it takes time to understand, but one day it will all seem so obvious) before you realise it.

Did you turn off ICS on your machine when you installed the router? How is your the TCP/IP configured on the NIC? Have you entered DNS servers IP addresses in the router yet? What is the ip range on your router?

If i were a betting man, your routers IP range will be 192.168.1.x with the router being 192.168.1.1. When you set up ICS before, your PC would have been given the IP 192.168.1.1. I expect thats the problem. Change your IP manually, or change it to automatically configure along with the DNS.

[Pug]

On a completely unrelated note, £20 for 2 x 15m of CAT5 is a joke mate.

£30, even! :eek:
I paid that for my router - cables are less than a fiver.
Next thing, you'll be telling us you bought a KillerNIC... :unsure:


Does the D-link have any diagnostic tests you can run?

[fillip]

Just FYI...

I remember a while back that you said you didn't trust online shops when using your bank card, and from what many of the guys here could see, including myself, was leading to you paying higher prices for goods on the high street as a result of this.

Well, it may interest you to know that one of the better online retailers Ebuyer are now accepting payments via PayPal. So no need to keep buying stuff from Ebay or to get ripped off at RipOffWorld :thumb:

[TamiyaCowboy]

computers NIC set too obtain IP

firefox/IE set too obtain ip and obtain dns.

the 24mbps is the speed the router is using cable i have 24mb max download speed and have 54 mb via wireless. the router is a ADSL2/2+. too use ie too get into router settings takes 5-7 mins too load the page. D-Link themselves told me go into settings, but i hung up when he got snotty and left me on hold again.

Ping results:

Pinging 192.168.*.*
Packets sent: 4, recieved = 4, lost =0 (0% loss)
Aproximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
packets: Minimum = 0ms, maximum = 0ms, average = 0ms

thats the readout from ping too router using the cmd ping comand

the ip requested is 192.168.1.2 (can a mod remove ip once finnished please)

Tbh guys i gave up after the rude canadian indian guy told me go buy more cable and/if-not ring back its your nic thats not working correct as our items dont have these problems

Tam

[furious trout]

Personally I'd try resting the router to it's factory defaults, and set it up from scratch. Info here: http://snipurl.com/yfdm

Then reset your pc's Network connections settings by issuing the following command at the command prompt:

netsh interface ip reset

It's probably worth doing that on both machines eventually, but I'd concentrate on getting one up and running first and then add the second.

Hopefully that'll get everything back to a baseline where you can start testing the network properly.

Once your connected try pinging 192.168.1.1 ( according to D-Link this is the default IP of your router) from both machines. Post the results here and we'll have a look at them.

Networking isn't always plug and play; it takes a wee bit of patience but once it's in place you can pretty much forget about it. So bearing that in mind make sure you RTFM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM) - it's possible the router won't work 'out of the box' and could need some additional tweaking before it works as you expect :thumb:

[TamiyaCowboy]

i did RTFM all 6 pages of it. no FAQ no trouble shooting.

reset NI how was explained and still slow. computer is set too obtain IP auto. ping is minimum= 0ms maximum = 1ms average = 0ms

ping on downstairs is minimum = 1ms, maximum = 4 ms, average = 2 ms

internet browsers on both machines are slow taking upto 5-7 mins too load a page or they either time out. both machines have had their NIC reset as above in previous post. the manual is no use too me, they dont explain in plain english and dont offer any help whatsoever too someone not very good with computers. now on phone too D-link again :angry:

i know can honnestly say i hate all types of computers :-(

Update: 1 hour on phone too D-link. and the answer from them was " well this shouldnt happen, take it back too shop and try a different make/model or a different router company" may i kindly thank D-link for screwing up my internet and overal internet experiance. now i have too try take this stupid machine back and wait two weeks for orange too send out a new install disc.

Update the Update: just off the phone too PCworld. please return product so we can test item WTFG. they will test the router even though D-links says there is a problem, now if pcworld dont find a fault i have an expensive door stop. why test a product when the company involved has said there is a problem

prices was delkin 10m cat cable £29.99 x 3, 1 x adsl router £59.99, 1x mcafee £49.99, all brought from pcworld within 2 days of each other, this money was my for my powerkite tutorials so i could become a BPKA instructor,

Tam

[Pug]

the ip requested is 192.168.1.2 (can a mod remove ip once finnished please)

Don't sweat it, that's an internal IP and nothing that can be used to identify you to the outside world. :thumb:

FY(Future)I, Belkin Cat6 STP 10m snagless is £12 at eBuyer. :mellow:

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++ Belkin snagless for teh win!!!11! :thumb:

W00t! 3000 posts!

[Pug]

^^ Well, I mentioned that particular one as it's the closest equivalent to the PCW ones he mentioned, as I can make out.
There are plenty of other Belkin 10m ones for under a fiver too but that's the only one I can think they'd have the audacity to charge £30 for.

[TamiyaCowboy]

that the cables i brought from there. delkin cat snaggless £29.99. sorry i havent been around, had too look after the RC forum over last weekend and having too wait 5-7 mins for page too work realy gets me down. phoned up PCworld and was told too take the item back for it too be tested. i explained that D-LINK themselves had said this router should not be showing this speed problem, PCworlds reply was " its the companys way". d-link and pcworld have just messed me around bigtime. d-link dont know whats going on and pcworld wont accept that d-link techs tests dont matter only there own. so if i take back router and PCworld find no fault where do i stand as a customer :o( (soz for primative smilies browser still loading) im not wanting a £60 plastic doorstop

Tam

[Reitau]

that the cables i brought from there. delkin cat snaggless £29.99. sorry i havent been around, had too look after the RC forum over last weekend and having too wait 5-7 mins for page too work realy gets me down. phoned up PCworld and was told too take the item back for it too be tested. i explained that D-LINK themselves had said this router should not be showing this speed problem, PCworlds reply was " its the companys way". d-link and pcworld have just messed me around bigtime. d-link dont know whats going on and pcworld wont accept that d-link techs tests dont matter only there own. so if i take back router and PCworld find no fault where do i stand as a customer :o( (soz for primative smilies browser still loading) im not wanting a £60 plastic doorstop

Tam

If D-Link provide an RMA then PCW shouldnt test it? I never would - but as we all know not all PCW techs are as good as me (sorry but its true) in terms of customer service, sod it just say Taunton PCW tested it while on holiday or something and drop my name (Alex).

Longtime no speaky as well mate :thumb:

[TamiyaCowboy]

hi guys

had a days listening too pink floyd dark side of the moon and chilled out alittle. first of im going too un-install the whole network in a few mins then re-boot and reset the router/modem. i have been dragging through various google topics on the d-link router i own and there are a few people having problems.

another thing i purchased a adsl2/+2 and am running it on a wanadoo/bt line do you think the line may not do adsl2/+2 ?

Reitau:

hi fella ltnc, i have become somewhat a eve online addict omg what a game. me an misses split up so its no more travel down to the big smoke for me :o(. soon as i get this sily network sorted you will all be seeing more of me i have been saving pennys for amd2 :o)


Tam

[Greeny]

Modem *should* be backwards compatible, I haven't seen one which is not yet.

[TamiyaCowboy]

hi guys.

been a month now i been living with super slow network connection speed from the D-link router. today we returned with a nice new shiney box from staples containing a Belkin high speed modem/wireless router.

my problem is am scared too open and install router and find that i still have a 10 min webpage loading time. i have RTFM what there is of it (sheet of paper). but no advice on settings etc etc. tbh i have use internet much over the past month because of the slow connection both machines have from the d-link router. and am bricking it too think what i may do if this new router shows same problem.

any advice on what i should do please.

Tami