New PC needed

[JamesM]

My system is a cheap 1600xp I got from Aria about 4 or 5 years ago.. still stable and good enough for most things I do, including 3D work, gaming, photoshop stuff, etc. but now I want a bit more ooomph.

I've got around £500 to spend, although I'd like to spend as little as possible tbh :lol:

A mate of mine has a Asus A8N-SLi Premium nForce4 SLi mobo with a 64bit chip and 1gb of ram and his system flies, so I'd like something along the same lines, although I'm thinking of stepping down a bit with the mobo as I'm not a fan of that heatpipe thingy, especially as the mobo will be mounted upside-down (I've heard of overheating probs when people flip this mobo), so I was looking at the Asus A8N-SLi Deluxe nForce4 SLi instead.

Thats as far as I've got atm though :duh:

I don't think I'll need 2 gfx cards as I'm not a hardcore gamer (although I could add another at a later date), but I will need plenty of ram and a good amount of hd space. Also a new psu will be needed, and anything I've forgot :D

I'll probably buy from Aria or ebuyer as I've used them both before and know they are somewhat trustworthy.

Any help building a system would be very much appreciated as I'm a bit lost :)

[Greeny]

I have picked you out some components from the aria catalogue:

AMD Athlon64 3700 San Diego Retail Socket 939 - £155.69
http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductInfoComm.asp?ID=18192
Cheapest 1MB cache core in catalogue. Retail unit so it comes with boxed heatsink.

Asus A8N-SLi nForce4 SLi SE - £69.78
http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductInfoComm.asp?ID=20789
SLI board with what appears to be a northbridge fan. Reasonably priced and hopefully reasonably stable.

Corsair Value Select 2x1GB PC3200 VS2GBKIT400C3 - £111.63
http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductInfoComm.asp?ID=22287
2GB of good brand name value ram to make those applications fly.

Tagan 480W ATX 2.x Power Supply Low Noise, 4x SATA, Active PFC, 2xPCIe connectors! - £51.11
http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductInfoComm.asp?ID=21908
A nice Tagan PSU with more than adequate power, it's so good they put an exclamation mark at the end of it.

200GB Seagate Barracuda9 SATA2 8MB 7200 3GB/s NCQ ST3200827AS
http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductInfoComm.asp?ID=22085
200GB Seagate hard drive, quiet and should be more than fast enough.

On the graphics card issue, aria seems decidely lacking in the mid-range department though they have a wide variety of cheap and chearfull cack to select from. I think you should push the budget a smidge to £600 and stretch yourself from purchasing from the low end of the range to the mid-range where the performance is at least approaching decent.

BFG GeForce 7600 GT OC 256MB GDDR3 VIVO TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (GX-019-BG) - £158.57
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/7300___7600_Series.html

Total price - £600~ish

[JamesM]

Thanks mate, that's a huge help! :)

I'm a little put off by the 80mm fan on the psu, so would this (http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductInfoComm.asp?ID=19634) one be any good?

Also, I made note of this (http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductInfoComm.asp?ID=19345) hdd a while ago. Can't remember why though :lol: Would I be able to run my 2 IDE maxtor 160gb drives along side of this, or any sata drive?

As for the graphics, tbh I think £160 is a bit too much. I spent that on my 9600Pro card only for it to drop 40% the following week. My mate runs a 6600GT and is more than happy, only trouble is I don't know which 6600GT as there seems to be quite a few of them. I'm not into crap like CS, half life, BF2 or shit like that. As long as it runs my fully modded GP4 like my 9600 does, I'm more than happy.



Anyone else have any suggestions, feel free to step up, I'm looking to get this Tuesday or Wednesday after I check out some local prices...

[Fibbles]

Do you plan on going SLI or just want the expansion? An NForce 4 Ultra is just as good and could save some 'watermelons' if you wanted.

How much overhead is there in the rip-off UK?

[JamesM]

Nah, the dual gfx sli thingy isn't needed, but it would be nice for the future.


NForce4 Ultra? Watermelons? Overhead? Huh? Please don't confuse the Welsh dude. Cheers :-p

[2JSC]

An NForce4 Ultra board - is a top nf4 board, but no SLi. Only one 16x PCI-E Slot for vid card... and by watermelons, he means money. NF4 Ultras can be had for a little cheaper than an SLI version.

[JamesM]

Ah, good shit. I'll probably stick with the sli board though as you never know if it'll be needed :thumb:


I think I need to start smoking weed again, all these numbers are driving me nuts :duh:

[JamesM]

As we slowly start to tick into Tuesday, anyone else have any suggestions please?

[CandyKid]

Spend the money for a 7600GT as the performance gain's over a 6600GT are incredible. Check out Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2717) for a great round-up of the 7600GT along with it's bigger brothers. I'm considering picking one up to replace my 6600GT (ASUS TOP Edition and it still doesn't compare) or a 7900GT when I can afford it.

Yes, you said you don't care about things like Quake 4, CS, HL2 and the like, but the 7600 will last you a good while longer than the 6600 will.

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[bobvillain]

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i would even go so far as to tell you to wait to buy a hard drive and use one of your 160's for now so you can afford the 7600GT if you have to. you can always buy a better hard drive later. and you could probably also drop down to the 3000+ to 3500+ venice range of cpus if you needed to, and oc it (though the 3700+ would be the best bet)

[JamesM]

Damn I'm confused :huh:


Having more ooomph with the gfx card wont help with 3D work will it? Only the cpu and ram help that afaik (which isn't alot :lol: ). I'm now thinking of not bothering with sli, but its still totally confusing. Why are there so many components with the same bloody name? :duh:

The cpu will probably be a 3200 Venice as they are a nice round £100 inc. VAT and apparently have only recently come down in price.

I can't go over £600.. £500 is the prefered budget as I'm between jobs and its my son's first birthday in a couple of weeks, so I've got to get my priorities right :thumb:

[CandyKid]

"Having more ooomph with the gfx card wont help with 3D work will it?"

What do you think a GFX card is for? You've got to render that 3D work, don't you?

Depending on what you do, a pro card would be better for it (3D modeling/rendering/etc), but the newer cards have enough horsepower to do a very good job at CAD and SolidWorks stuff as well. Faster cards make for smoother images, better quality, shorter load times, etc. Just makes life easier with all 3D applications, not just games.

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[Greeny]

Drop the CPU down and cut the RAM down to a 1GB kit instead of the 2GB kit and I think you should be close enough to budget.

[JamesM]

Getting there now I think...


What's the different between these puppies:

Leadtek WinFast GeForce 7600 GT 256MB DDR3 PCI-E + Dual DVI ~ £145

Point Of View 7600GT 256mb DDR3 PCI-E ~ £130

BFG 7600GT 256mb GDDR3 Dual DVI PCI-E ~ £160

:huh:

[cobalt6700]

probably the bundles...

and the BFG will be overclocked.

[JamesM]

Would I be wise avoiding any of these, or are they all good enough?


Also, about the PSU.. Is the Hiper 580w Type R Modular psu any good?


Finally, is it worth the extra for the retail cpu, or should I get the oem chip and buy a better cooler? Something like this (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=103639) maybe? (would I need to buy thermal paste (conductive or non conductive?), or does it come with, btw?)


Thanks again guys, I know I'm being a pain in the ass, but your help really is appreciated :worship:




[edit] Sorry, one more thing... I'd like to use my existing pc as some sort of htpc in the living room. I think its good enough for that, so can anyone recommend a tv tuner card thingy with a remote? Would I need anything else to finally get rid of all my videos and dvds from my boys grasp? :unsure:

[bobvillain]

i've never heard of "Point of View", so I don't know about them. bfg is usually good i believe, and I think leadtek would be okay as well.
i've heard mixed reviews of hiper psu's, but i think it would do for your box.
i would get the retail version of the cpu, an aftermarket cooler that is noticably better than the stock one will cost you more than the difference in price between oem and retail, and you won't get the 3 year manufacturer's warranty when you buy oem. ( the stock hsf comes with a thermal pad thing, so it doesn't need thermal paste, though it is always better to scrape that off and use arctic silver or something).

i have a happauge pvr150 and it does me just fine, both before i got mce and since then.

[fivecheebs]

The hypers arent rated very highly, somewhere between poo and crap apparently ;-)

Stick with a tagan. Ive had my 480 for 18 months and its still very quiet despite the 80s :thumb:

[JamesM]

The hypers arent rated very highly, somewhere between poo and crap apparently ;-)

Stick with a tagan. Ive had my 480 for 18 months and its still very quiet despite the 80s :thumb:
Oooops, too late, order placed :mellow:

[JamesM]

Here's what I got in the end, for anyone interested...

1 x Point Of View 7600GT 256mb DDR3 PCI-E 106578 Warehouse Ship Date: 21/04/2006 £110.62 £110.62
1 x Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe S939 NF4 SLI ATX - Sound 2xgln 1394 USB2 SATA 82818 Warehouse Ship Date: 21/04/2006 £84.09 £84.09
1 x Corsair 2 x 1 Gb (VS2GBKIT400C3) DDR PC3200 2x128Mx64non-ECC 2x184 DIMM Unbuffered CL3 64Mx8 DRAMs 98690 Warehouse Ship Date: 21/04/2006 £85.95 £85.95
1 x Hiper 580W Type-R Modular PSU - Black with UV reacted cables 98562 Warehouse Ship Date: 21/04/2006 £51.00 £51.00
1 x Maxtor 6V300F0 DiamondMax 10 300GB 7200RPM SATA II 16MB Cache - OEM 107150 Warehouse Ship Date: 21/04/2006 £59.94 £59.94
1 x AMD (Venice) Athlon 64 3500+ 939pin 512Kb L2 Cache 90nm Retail Boxed Processor With 3 Year Warranty and Fan Included. 88107 Warehouse Ship Date: 21/04/2006 £112.84 £112.84
1 x LG GSA-4167BAL 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer Internal IDE (Black) - OEM 97237 Warehouse Ship Date: 21/04/2006 £22.10 £22.10
1 x Ebuyer Extra Value High Quality rounded floppy cables Double head 24" red 88114 Warehouse Ship Date: 21/04/2006 £0.59 £0.59
1 x Mitsumi 7-in-1 USB2 Floppy Drive / Media Drive SM/MS/MD/CF/MM/SD Black 90805 Warehouse Ship Date: 21/04/2006 £11.99 £11.99
1 x Casebuy A1.01 ATX Gaming case and 350w PSU 93105 Warehouse Ship Date: 21/04/2006 £32.99 £32.99
1 x Ebuyer Extra Value 12" Dual Cold Cathode Kit White(x 2 pcs) 42959 Warehouse Ship Date: 21/04/2006 £2.99 £2.99
1 x Ebuyer Extra Value 12" UV Dual Cold Cathode Kit 55283 Warehouse Ship Date: 21/04/2006 £2.99 £2.99
1 x Ebuyer Extra Value 12" Purple Dual Cold Cathode Kit 58063 Warehouse Ship Date: 21/04/2006 £2.99 £2.99
1 x Leadtek Winfast TV2000 XP Expert TV/FM Tuner with Nicam Stereo and Full PVR with Direct Burn Remote and Teletext 51198 Warehouse Ship Date: 21/04/2006 £24.67 £24.67

Total £711.82

I got pissed off and confused with all the TV card options in the end (moreso than the gfx card confusion), so I just picked a nice cheap card that does the basics. Hope it works! I've probably wasted some cash somewhere along the line, and I've gone way over budget (so much for priorities :lol:). Looks like my head skim & new gasket will have to wait a couple of months :(


The case I picked is just a temp thing that will house my old setup, but it does have modding potential I think.

[JamesM]

wooohooo, site is back online! :D

I tried posting this last night, but bah! :duh:


Anyway, just wanted to say thanks to all those who helped. Bob, I took your advice as you can see and ordered the retail cpu - I can always change the fan at a later date should I need too. Cheebs, I hope I don't get problems with the psu, but that can always be changed later too I guess. And I sort of took Greeny's advice with the 7600, although I got the cheaper version - hope its ok :thumb:

So yeah, just got to put it all together without blowing anything up now :lol:

[Greeny]

A tad overbudget, but looking good. GL with the build.

[JamesM]

You can say that again :duh:


Thanks mate, will keep you informed... and after quickly reading the mobo manual, will probably come crawling back for some much needed help :lol:



Now then, here's the cheapy (temp) case (http://www.wizdforums.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=871&stc=1&d=1137859970)

... got any ideas for quick modding? :unsure:

The pc is in the only room my partner and I smoke in, so one thing I'd like to do is cover up all them holes with some plexi, and add a good filter to the front intake. It defeats the purpose of the case design I guess, but whatever :-p Not sure if the plexi will be mounted inside or out yet... Another thing will be to spray the inside black.

Any other suggestions? :dremel:

[CandyKid]

JamesM,

I thought that you were stealing webspace from 'GP4Wales.co.uk' with your picture, so I edited your post accordingly. If I'm mistaken, accept my apology as, upon further examination, the website does appear to be personal space. Thanks for that OCBlue.

Next time on 'Moderators Gone Crazy' we have the infamous...

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[JamesM]

JamesM,

I thought that you were stealing webspace from 'GP4Wales.co.uk' with your picture, so I edited your post accordingly. If I'm mistaken, accept my apology as, upon further examination, the website does appear to be personal space. Thanks for that OCBlue.

Next time on 'Moderators Gone Crazy' we have the infamous...

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I pay my way for bandwidth mate, so maybe you should have checked first, eh? ;-)

[CandyKid]

My apologies indeed. Though most personal websites don't look quite like that which is why I thought it was not your's.

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[JamesM]

My apologies indeed. Though most personal websites don't look quite like that which is why I thought it was not your's.

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Don't look like what? It doesn't really look like anything anymore :lol:

[JamesM]

woohoooo! stuff arrived today, but bah! They sent an oem cpu instead of a retail one. Not only that but a few pins were bent :duh: This has been RMA'd and I should have a replacement by next week.

Sanded and sprayed primer on the chassis, and cut some plexi for the top and one side. The other side panel I'm thinking about as it has an 80mm fan and duct (not shown in the pics on the site) which screw my plans up a little... Also drilled holes for wheels and handles.

Changed my mind yet again for the interior colour, will now spray it <insert colour here when decided> instead :-p

No wip pics though as I left my camera at my parents house, and its not going to be a big mod anyway, more of a simple build with a few extras.

[JamesM]

Still waiting for my cpu :(

Was due to arrive on Friday as I paid for next day delivery. They obviously fudged up though as my delivery was refunded, but hopefully it'll be here tomorrow sometime...

The extra wait has allowed me to finish the work on my case (for now anyway). Will try to get some pics up tonight, but don't expect much though, just wheels, handles, painted chassis, hinges and a small amount of cable tidying.

Housework first (great :duh: ).

:mellow:

[JamesM]

hmm, having finally received my cpu after missing City Link on friday, I'm having problems booting up...

I first booted from the MaxBlaster CD, set up my hdd with 4 partitions (120gb, 30gb, 80gb, 70gb). Restarted as instructed, then booted from my Win2k setup floppies, changing to Win2k CD when requested. The drive partitions were showing as Unformatted or Damaged, but I selected my c: partition and win2k formatted the drive. When finished it reboots and I get this on screen


Invalid BOOT.INI file
Booting from C:\winnt\
NTDETECT failed


The hdd is showing in bios as a 300gb sata2 drive, and I don't have one of those buggy drives that needs a firmware upgrade (apparently).

A quick web search tells me that ntdetect.com or boot.ini are missing for corrupt. Where can I get these files without a Repair Disk? I lost mine and can't create one via windows on my current setup (the backup file is err, missing O_o)

[fivecheebs]

bummer.

If i were you i'd get to another PC, and make a Bootable windows 2000 disk (http://old.bink.nu/bootcd/) and try the install again.

Why use 2000 btw?

[JamesM]

Yeah, this sucks :(

Everyone I know runs xp and 1. I don't like it, 2. I don't have it :(



Anyone here running 2k? Can you upload or email me the repair disk files? :unsure:


I'm having a look at that bootdisk now Cheebs, cheers :)

[fivecheebs]

hmmmm... i run 2000 on my ancient decrepid lappy. If i get an opertunity i'll have a look and let you know mate :thumb:

[JamesM]

Thanks mate, made a bootdisc... man its faster than the floppies :lol:

Anyway, after hitting F8 to agree to the T&C's, I get to the list of partitions screen.

In the box I've got


Unknow Disk

(there is no disk in this drive.)
Unknow Disk

(there is no disk in this drive.)
131068 MB Disk 0 at Id 0 on bus 0 on atapi

Unpartitioned space : 82351 mb
Unpartitioned space : 24158 mb
C: Unknown : 831050 mb
-- Unknown: 265613 mb


Now I'm guessing something isn't quite right there, or its fudged because the drive is 300gb (I need to correct this after I install windows + sp4 with 'Big Drive Enabler' thingy, so shall I proceed on the c: unkown partition, or start again? :unsure:

[fivecheebs]

Did you give it the SATA drivers at the very begninng of the install? It asks for you to press f6, then you put in the floppy with the sata drivers on, then you install windows...

FWIW, i usually use the windows disk to set up the partitions too.. it just seems easier.

[Fibbles]

Supposedly there is an issue with those particular Maxtor hard drives not playing nice with NF4 boards. Try jumpering it down to SATA1 and see if it works.

[JamesM]

Did you give it the SATA drivers at the very begninng of the install? It asks for you to press f6, then you put in the floppy with the sata drivers on, then you install windows...

FWIW, i usually use the windows disk to set up the partitions too.. it just seems easier.
I didn't no, as the manual has no mention of it.. Had a look at the asus website and got info on how to create a driver disk from the provided cd. Hit F6 and selected the raid and sata drivers, and got to the partition select screen again. I selected the c drive and got a blue screen of death telling me the check all hardware and remove allrecently installed drivers :mellow: Gonna remove some ram first, then go from there...

[JamesM]

Supposedly there is an issue with those particular Maxtor hard drives not playing nice with NF4 boards. Try jumpering it down to SATA1 and see if it works.
Their website tells me my drive model number isn't affected by this... how do I switch to sata 1 though?

[fivecheebs]

I selected the c drive and got a blue screen of death telling me the check all hardware and remove allrecently installed drivers :mellow: Gonna remove some ram first, then go from there...

Bizzarr! Ive never seen a BSOD before successfully installing windows! I think i'd be tempted to use maxblast again and delete the partitions and try again from the windws disk. Also remove all unnessecary hardware for the time being.

[JamesM]

What hardware can I remove though? I've only got a floppy, dvdrw, single hdd, ram and gfx card :confused:

Removing a stick of ram, and swapping them around made no difference, so I ran MaxBlaster again and removed the other partitions leaving the single 300gb partition. Windows setup is now slowly formatting that space :zen:

I couldn't partition the drive using windows setup as it would only allow me to type 5 numbers, in mb. I guess I'll have to use partition magic or something... if I ever get into windows :(


Thanks for your help guys, will let you know... :thumb:

[JamesM]

Cheebs, you're a fecking diamond :thumb:


I'm further into the installation than I have been so far and windows has semi booted and is now loading devices :D

What's the next step mate? :unsure: Should I install the latest mobo drivers and then update the bios before installing the gfx card drivers? I've never done a bios update so I'm a little unsure... is the asus update via the web method a good one?

[fivecheebs]

:D Nice one pal :thumb:

I like the windows flash utils for BIOS flashes, just because its so damn easy.... I dont know what the ASUS one is called. I prefer to d/l manually, making sure youhave the correct version, it can be a little confising if your not careful. Ther eis no rush to do the BIOS anyway, it can be done whenever.

You've probably done this by now, but i do motherboard first then GFX as you stated. Then AV, firewall, and all the windows updates, in that order.

[JamesM]

ahh, good man. I just started the driver installation steps.. Apparently I need to upgrade the bios for it to recognise my cpu properly, but yeah, confusing steps as things must be done in order, and asus don't provide an order list :(

Well at least if I screw something up I can hopefully reformat and reinstall without any problems, for that I owe ya a beer :thumb: :beer: :cheers:

[fivecheebs]

One day mate, i'll hold you to that

James>>^_^:more:<<me

[JamesM]

I've now given up for the night :thumb:


All the basic stuff is here, although I'm having a few problems with some software I've never used before (like the bundled raid stuff, and java is missing some files O_o.. I'm sure I'll get there in the end. Tomorrow begins the task of installing the rest of the driver updates and possibly a bios update (haven't touched it yet). Also, programs like 3dsm, photoshop, apache, outlook (and hopefully email backups), etc. I hate new installs, everything is so messy already, and its gonna take ages to sort through.


One other problem I'm having is with direct cable connection via lpt1.. yeah, I know its an old way of doing it, but its all I have right now, and would save burning a hell of a lot of stuff to dvds. The computer finds the other machine but can only see its printer and scheduled tasks. I can't see the hard drives at all, and they are all set the shared... I've done this loads of times in the past, just can't remember how to do it now :duh:

[Reitau]

easiest way is to run the network wizard.

That will enable file sharing.

Then share your C: or what ever you want by right clicking > Sharing And Security

However you will be bored waiting using LPTs

Get a cross over ethernet cable going, or better yet get a router!

[JamesM]

Well it did the job for the smaller files, but yeah, I ended up burning a few dvds :thumb:

A router is planned for the future so I can get net access on both machines, but after spending nearly £800 I dare not tell the missus I need more stuff just yet :lol:

I've just found out via Asus Probe that I am in fact running a pretty up-to-date bios (v1015), so that's an extra w00t as my cpu is fully supported.

I've still got a massive amount of stuff to install, and I'm getting those bloody Messenger pop-ups at times which I never had with the old setup, so I'll have to run hijackthis and see what the peeps over at windowsbbs say...

So far I'm amazed at the speed of the sata2 drive, and system in general (not difficult to understand coming from a 1600xp). The 7600gt card runs GP4 fine and is a huge improvement over my agp 9600pro. I should have gone for the 7900gt but for what I run, I'm sure this will be fine. The only problem I have is the noise of everything - its fecking loud as hell :duh: I'm not sure if its the standard amd64 heatsink fan, or the northbridge fan (apparently they are shit and fail after a while), or the 7600 fan. It could even be because of the mesh case, but its way louder than my old system and I thought that was bad.

[CandyKid]

It's two things:

1) NB fans are loud as hell.

2) Stock CPU fans are loud as hell.

3) Apparently, hell is pretty loud.

:D

Look around at Zalman CPU coolers if you're still going for an air-cooled rig and they're are a few nice passive NB coolers that might do the job for you...

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[JamesM]

It's two things:

1) NB fans are loud as hell.

2) Stock CPU fans are loud as hell.

3) Apparently, hell is pretty loud.

:D

Look around at Zalman CPU coolers if you're still going for an air-cooled rig and they're are a few nice passive NB coolers that might do the job for you...

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:lol: Yup, already looking at a Zalman CNPS9500-LED Aero Flower, and one of their gpu variants :thumb: There is an akasa northbridge cooler that's apparently quiet and stable but scan are out of stock atm...



Few pics (my cam sucks)..

http://www.gp4wales.co.uk/new_rig/PICT0070.jpg

http://www.gp4wales.co.uk/new_rig/PICT0087.jpg

http://www.gp4wales.co.uk/new_rig/PICT0100.jpg

http://www.gp4wales.co.uk/new_rig/PICT0101.jpg

I liked the chassis in white...its metallic purple now though :D

[cobalt6700]

i have to say, that looks pretty sexual.

nice one

[Da_Rude_Baboon]

I'm getting those bloody Messenger pop-ups at times which I never had with the old setup, so I'll have to run hijackthis and see what the peeps over at windowsbbs say...

Go in to your services and disable the windows messaging service. It is nothing to do with MSN messenger, it is the service windows networking uses so, for example, a server can send you a pop up message to say its running out of disk space.

[JamesM]

i have to say, that looks pretty sexual.

nice one
Cheers :thumb: I'll try to get some better pics up at some point :)

Go in to your services and disable the windows messaging service. It is nothing to do with MSN messenger, it is the service windows networking uses so, for example, a server can send you a pop up message to say its running out of disk space.

Hmmm, its not happening since I upgraded Zone Alarm Pro, but its nice to know how to disable it in the future, thanks :)

ZAP is blocking all animations now though, even though that setting is off :mellow:

[edit] as I posted this, anims started working again :lol:

I hate setting up new pc's XD