computer says NO (crashing)

[TamiyaCowboy]

have noticed over the past week/s theat my computer keeps crashing,

counterstrike freezes up, screaching speakers, esc,alt-F4 has no effect, no shutdoawn available from power off switch, resulting at power switched of at psu. this also happened in bf2 also.

temps when not running games

case: 26c

cpu: 30c

room: 20c

this is on air cooling

now running game and temps hit

case: 27-28c

cpu: 45C @ 100% useage stable running, no OC. drop of temp is 45c down too 30c in 13 mins 36seconds (yes i timed it like a nerd :o) )

this is normal for my machine too run these temps. but i have no responce at all from computer when crashes. card is a nvidia 5600. stock clock are core 325mhz memory 450mhz. i clocked it too core 350mhz memory 567mhz, this OC is using stock air cooling and extra from a case side fan.

could this be my GUI saysing " pushing your luck son" or could there be something more sinister waiting for me. with my old case i had temps of case at 35c and the cpu at 55c when running games.

im just worried and its doing my Wigwam in i start playing and then crashes. or i can be playing a game and it crashes :-(

TC

[Greeny]

A list of components would give us a clearer picture about the machine and perhaps prompt some ideas. Use Prime95 to check CPU stability, run a lengthy torture test. Use memtest86+ to check your ram as well. Some cpu-z screenshot might be handy as well or dump out the settings to html file and post.

http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm
http://www.memtest.org/
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

Those temperatures look acceptable whatever hardware you have though.

[TamiyaCowboy]

A list of components would give us a clearer picture about the machine and perhaps prompt some ideas. Use Prime95 to check CPU stability, run a lengthy torture test. Use memtest86+ to check your ram as well. Some cpu-z screenshot might be handy as well or dump out the settings to html file and post.

http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm
http://www.memtest.org/
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

Those temperatures look acceptable whatever hardware you have though.

you lost me lol.

ok im running a P4C 130nm 1.6-3.4ghz (1.475 - 1.575v) (northy 2.4ghz / 400fsb,) trigem imperial G mobo, 82845/g/gl/ge brookdale host hun interface, and processor throttling enabled. fsb 4x 133mhz

thats all i know from sandra readout

[cobalt6700]

you could try backing your GFX back down a bit and see if that helps?

[TamiyaCowboy]

you could try backing your GFX back down a bit and see if that helps?

its backed right off, just started playing cs:s and withing three mins system crashes again ARGGGGHHHHH dont believe it, is there anything more easyer than the programs mentioned above just looking at there websites have confused me even more

will run gfx in 2d mode so may not even run cs:s or battle field 2 as they only games i like (halo = rubbish)

[steglegs]

your doing better than me at cs:s, when mine starts pc crashes straight away. lol, i read somewhere you need to update direct x.

[TamiyaCowboy]

your doing better than me at cs:s, when mine starts pc crashes straight away. lol, i read somewhere you need to update direct x.

hi stegs

yeah i thought it could be so tryed too update DX 9 but by version is upto date DX9 C, too be honnest i just think its this rubbish trigem board i have read up about them and alot of folks are saying they worst ever board on market. lots of complaints about the resistors beside the heatsink failing or leaking/ getting too hot. and to be honnest i can see why they are no more than 1cm away from main cpu heat sink and the air from heatsink is blown onto the resistors making them not cool down but warm up :eek:. ooh and i got 10 mins gaming without the system crashing with stock card settings

TC

[steglegs]

just been looking on the net, some people say to turn off anti virus and firewall software, sounds bit risky.

[TamiyaCowboy]

just been looking on the net, some people say to turn off anti virus and firewall software, sounds bit risky.

i wouldnt sugest that and i dont think you guys would. ok happens alot in CS:S but only once in bf2. i done another 3dmark test and got a lowly 345 score. and a max frame rate of 1fps its done my wigwam in :eek: it cant be that low thats worse than a amiga 1200 :-(


TC

[steglegs]

1fps, i gave up trying to get mine to run, went out bought a xbox 360 and took a dremmel to it.

[TamiyaCowboy]

1fps, i gave up trying to get mine to run, went out bought a xbox 360 and took a dremmel to it.

dont even go there fella i have had some weird ideas involving a PSP some large fans and a nice little screen all tucked into a 1/18th scale car chassis but thats another day and a trip too bank manager, how do you explain you want £4000 for a home built computer :huh:


TC

[Reitau]

hi stegs

yeah i thought it could be so tryed too update DX 9 but by version is upto date DX9 C, too be honnest i just think its this rubbish trigem board i have read up about them and alot of folks are saying they worst ever board on market. lots of complaints about the resistors beside the heatsink failing or leaking/ getting too hot. and to be honnest i can see why they are no more than 1cm away from main cpu heat sink and the air from heatsink is blown onto the resistors making them not cool down but warm up :eek:. ooh and i got 10 mins gaming without the system crashing with stock card settings

TC

Shit man - just thought - you used to smoke right? The fish oil filled resistors on the Trigems pop open like a sqeezed spider abdomin! I would photo graph them and let me have a look inside!

Ive seen loads of em pop in warm cases, and the emachines case is (was for you) pretty warm - once the fans pack up then the caps blow. And smoke filled fans pack up in no time!

Merde!

[TamiyaCowboy]

got my brothers digital cam here so will get a snap of them asap

ok may have been stupid of me but when i changed the mobo too new case i noticed where the chipset is on reverse of board something that looked like a water run mark its about 3-5 inches long and starts at chipset and ends at the usb header on bottom of mobo is that a fault or just a machining liquid residue.

[Reitau]

got my brothers digital cam here so will get a snap of them asap

ok may have been stupid of me but when i changed the mobo too new case i noticed where the chipset is on reverse of board something that looked like a water run mark its about 3-5 inches long and starts at chipset and ends at the usb header on bottom of mobo is that a fault or just a machining liquid residue.

Im going for residue, cant think from what at moment though? :mellow:

[Reitau]

This is bad by the way... http://www.wizdforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3159&highlight=emachines

Not good huh...

[TamiyaCowboy]

freaks out at state of those caps in link OMG bisto gravy dryed up :eek:
heres a few pics of my boards cap thingamybobs they are dirty for nearly three years of smoke filled runing. please excuse state of the machine shown its my old one before cheebs told me about you guys here. boyo am glad i came here :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/Tamiyacowboy/More%20pictures/537deb0d.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/Tamiyacowboy/More%20pictures/c4099f01.jpg

cant get my head inside an emachines case with a digital cam so it was piont and click job :o)

i also have another chip that can be seen in pic below to the right of the sd card and the Gfx card it says intel (stumbles for torch) FW82801DB / L3080159 / SL6DM what is this and can i fit a heatsink to it i just got a nice low profile sis 735 chipset heatsink that i could fit with thermal tape to it. do you guys think this is a ok thing too do ?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/Tamiyacowboy/More%20pictures/552f85a8.jpg


TC

[AWACS]

it should be the south bridge and it's functions are mainly secondary stuff like some device controllers or something similar so it isn't as hot as the north bridge

[Reitau]

Looks like new MoBo time!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/reitau/c4099f01.jpg

Hard to tell from here though.

[TamiyaCowboy]

ah thats furry dusty stuff ( starts too gag :o)) i wiped that of with my finger and found a shiney top with a K sort of think on the top. dont wanna shove my fingers on them when rig is running but they all come up shiney like new. i ran a case fan after about two weeks from buying the machine outta shop. after reading PC advisor i gathered that cooling the case was best so brought a cheap fan and installed. plus i have cleaned up the heatsink as good as i could so it has better heat removal

[ỒĊBłůē]

That actually looks quite clean for three years of running (discounting the smoke residue).

My sister's PC was clogged up with dust and fluff when I brought it here for a looksie the other day, a quick clean up did the trick for now - I reckon I owe her an upgrade sometime pretty soon.

[TamiyaCowboy]

OC fella the case has too go trust me, im so glad too see the back of the old stuffy case and not too good 250w psu, to what i can gather my 590 is stuck with pc2100 ram only wouldnt have minded if it could atleast take pc2300 or pc2700 :D but never mind. my dads emachines has a MSI board fitted from factory :eek: lucky sod he is

[ỒĊBłůē]

I thought you were getting a new mobo? :huh:

[TamiyaCowboy]

ah yeah im looking at asus at the moment but do like them msi boards. also what are lanparty mobos ? are they like the ones we have or something special (smaller/less powerful). am just saving at moment so hope too have around £60-£75 for a mobo.

do you get mobos that have apg and pci-e i wouldnt be able too afford a pci-e card at the same time. so trying too get something that will be backward compatable with ram and also apg slots

TC

[ỒĊBłůē]

LANParty boards are made by DFI - If you're sticking with a Socket 478 P4 CPU you could always check out Abit's offerings too.

I'm very happy with the Asus mobo I'm running ATM and can't comment on MSI 'cos the last MSI mobo I dealt with was a Slot 1 PII board.

I don't think there are any AGP/PCIe boards out there, if there are I'm guessing they'd be pretty hard to get hold of now, likewise with S478 PCIe boards - it's probably best to look around for a S478 AGP motherboard unless you're looking to upgrade your CPU too.

[Reitau]

ah thats furry dusty stuff ( starts too gag :o)) i wiped that of with my finger and found a shiney top with a K sort of think on the top. ...

Few...

Thats ok then.

[TamiyaCowboy]

would love too upgrade cpu too nearly 4ghz but dont think a mobo will handle that type of chip for money i have. pci-e does look like the new thing in but do you guys think it would out kill the apg slots.

[ỒĊBłůē]

How do you mean - does PCIe it outperform AGP?

Hell yeah, but AGP is still doing a great job.

I've recently jumped from S478/AGP to S939/PCIe and it's not a cheap upgrade, (I figured it at around a minimum of £220 - I don't wanna think of the maximum).

[TamiyaCowboy]

How do you mean - does PCIe it outperform AGP?

Hell yeah, but AGP is still doing a great job.

I've recently jumped from S478/AGP to S939/PCIe and it's not a cheap upgrade, (I figured it at around a minimum of £220 - I don't wanna think of the maximum).

OMG erm.... i will stick with 478 apg then

meant would pci-e become the standard in graphics slots now, or do you think apg still has a following out there would they keep making apg slot boards. dont want too upgrade now then find in 3years time apg has died and my board is classed as vintage :o)

[ỒĊBłůē]

Nvidia have recently released the 7800GS graphics card, which is AGP. Almost all recent releases have been PCIe.

I think hardware manufacturers have taken AGP about as far as they can - I can't imagine there will be many more hardware releases on that platform.

[TamiyaCowboy]

Nvidia have recently released the 7800GS graphics card, which is AGP. Almost all recent releases have been PCIe.

I think hardware manufacturers have taken AGP about as far as they can - I can't imagine there will be many more hardware releases on that platform.

thanks OC

i will save up some more and get pci-e s478 and a pci-e card too then. going too be a few months more saving then

[Greeny]

It has been my experience that the Lanparty is not for the novice, unless your comfortable stress testing lot's of beta bios and weird hacks to get it to run nicely...