new mobo and cpu

[zer0]

Ok so I realy want to replace my mobo and cpu with an amd offering becuase im really hating this DFI board I know the sudden powering off might and proboly is being caused by my power supply so here are what im putting before you.

Iwill turn my current mobo and cpu in to a server a linux server dosent need to be turned off so the reboot only problem with my dfi board shouldent cause any issues. and of cores I want to get a new mobo and cpu (my waterblock can get a new bracket for an Athlon 64 so im good to that extent.)

so i want to know what you think of thease things.

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103536
MSI K8N Neo4/SLI Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130492
OCZ ModStream OCZ52012U ATX 520W Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104155
pqi TURBO 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM (2 sticks to replace my current memory)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820141120
SAPPHIRE 586L Radeon X300SE 128MB (before you ask its for the server just a cheep pci-e video card)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102415

would i notice a proformance gain from a P4 3.0Ghz presscott to an Athlon 64 3000+ Venice

I also want to know how stable the ATI drivers are for linux because i would rather not have a video card and have to ssh in to the server to do anything than rick my server crashing because ATI makes crappy drivers.

(i also have to get a HDD for the server but i have an ide hdd to hold me over until i have more money to get a new sata one)

[zer0]

i noticed that the psu has a blue led fan i wonder if i remove the leds and replace them with red ones if it will harm anything.

(i might just clip the wires to make the blue leds not turn on. the last thing i want is blue in my purly red light case.)

[Da_Rude_Baboon]

I think ATI have pretty crappy linux driver support iirc.

[Greeny]

NVidia's support seems pretty good, pig of a job trying to get our new dually opteron workstation to run on poxy RH9.0 with twinview on though.

[CandyKid]

IMHO, that's not much of an upgrade and if you're using it as a server, why pay for the PCI-Express support, especially the extra bucks for SLi.

Unless you're going to cop for a San Diego core CPU (something like a 3700+), then it's probably not worth the cash you'll have to spend in order to do the upgrade.

Baboon is also correct, the ATi Linux support is somewhat lacking, but with such a low-end video card, the Linux arbitrary drivers would work just fine and on a server, there's no reason to waste CPU time running Catalyst-esque software.

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[zer0]

IMHO, that's not much of an upgrade and if you're using it as a server, why pay for the PCI-Express support, especially the extra bucks for SLi.

Unless you're going to cop for a San Diego core CPU (something like a 3700+), then it's probably not worth the cash you'll have to spend in order to do the upgrade.

Baboon is also correct, the ATi Linux support is somewhat lacking, but with such a low-end video card, the Linux arbitrary drivers would work just fine and on a server, there's no reason to waste CPU time running Catalyst-esque software.

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the point is im not trying to upgread but ratehr move over to a better motherboard and cpu i know i want to upgread to a dule core Athlon x2 in the future (meaby next summer when prices drop a little) so i figure i better get a system that can work with that. my point of turning the other motherbaord and cpu in to a server is 1 i have always wanted a server and 2 my mom would nag my for having a working cpu and mobo laying around (sorta like how she nags me about having the non working one i have laying around...)

again im not trying to upgread but get a better system that has better ability to upgread in the path that i wish to go.

(oh and the reason im getting a pci express gfx card for my server mobo is because it only has a pci express slot no agp)

and i think i will get the gfx card but i wont install x and therefor i wont need to install the ati drivers.

[CandyKid]

I'm not sure you got my point about the PCI-Express, but if the A64 box will end up being YOUR machine and the P4 will be the server, then that's different.

HOWEVER, that add's a whole new twist... I would definately NOT buy until you're ready. If you want an X2 processor, then wait until you can afford it. Not only will you save yourself the $$$ of the 3000+, but video card prices and mobo prices (even upgrades?) will be lower if you wait until the next quarter.

I know how it is, but buying stuff now that you just plan on upgrading soon is a waste of money.

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[zer0]

I know how it is, but buying stuff now that you just plan on upgrading soon is a waste of money.

PLUR
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very true but this motherboard is driving me nuts i dont know if my sanaty will last until then...

anyways i know ill buy the power supply does anyone have any idea on what i can expect besides what i have read in the reviews?

i could always just get the psu then work on a new mod.
can anyone help me find a sphere (preferably aluminum) that a regualr atx mobo can fit in?

[CandyKid]

OCZ makes very good PSU's and I don't think you'll be dissappointed by this one.

As for an aluminum sphere... you'll have to look for aluminum fabricators because finding a larg enough sphere (probably 30 or more inches in diameter) is going to be hard.

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[Greeny]

AMD is moving to a new socket so I don't really get the idea of buying a motherboard now which you will use with a dual core next summer. By next summer you will likely be wanting one of the new socket boards IMO. Looking at the news today it says the new socket will initially be used with Opterons and AMD will be using the extra pins to bring the PCI-E controller onto the CPU and gain a bit of extra performance boost (ala the memory controller), but as the editorial on overclockers.com puts it this would be of benefit to the gamer as well so you may well see the desktop chips moving to the same platform to increase graphics processing speed. It's the 754/939 type situation again...

[CandyKid]

That's insanity... I understand AMD's idea with integrated both the MCH and PCI-E controller into the CPU, but man... that's going to make some seriously expensive processors.

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[Bambini]

what the hell? a new soc? I thought they were pushing dual core for 939. I read somewhere that they didn't want to change the socket architecture with the dual cores, but just keep it the same. Now they're stepping all over that.

[zer0]

if they are intagrating the pci-e in to the cpu it shifts where you spend more of your money because the cost of intagrating pci-e in to the chipset will not exist.

it does seem that amd is trying to put everything they can in to there cpu soon the only thing the north bridge will have control over is our perifrials.


on a side note putting pci-e in to the cpu sounds like the end of sli to me.

[CandyKid]

on a side note putting pci-e in to the cpu sounds like the end of sli to me.

Maybe...

The cost, however, is uneven.

It costs more to design and deliver a package (CPU) with all these controllers integrated than it does to use the current hardware, thus it will be more expensive on the CPU than in the chipset.

As for the mainbaords/chipsets, I doubt the removal of the PCI-E controller will affect the cost by a whole lot, TBH.

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[zer0]

one things i see is it might generate more heat heat that would normaly be at the chipset is now on the cpu more heat in a smaller area isnt good.

[CandyKid]

Just an OT thought, but can you imagine running a 3.0 GHz FX-60 w/ 2GB dual channel DDR-III and an SLi dual 32x PCI-E graphics config?

ROFL, I crack me up.

Yeah, it'd get pretty hot.

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[fivecheebs]

But thats why we have water ^_^

[Greeny]

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20050509A6030.html

[Bambini]

ddr2 tho!

[Greeny]

If DDR2 would make the chipsets significantly faster then they would have it allready, more bandwidth does not necessarily mean faster as it is associated with higher latencies.

[CandyKid]

True, but the latencies can be overcome by the frequency speed.

I.E. two clock cycles on 200MHz is the same amount of time as 4 clock cycles on 400MHz. It's not as simple as all that, but speed can make up for it.

Intel uses pretty high clock speeds to overcome their longer data-path (along with two double-speed logic units) and the same can be done with memory.

Please take note, however, that the latencies of DDR-I and DDR-II should not be compared as they do not directly correlate. The basic architecture is different.

For the most part, however, there is a sweet spot for every setup (and use) between raw speed and the latencies.

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[CandyKid]

Just an "FYI" update, but I've got DDR-II 600 running at CAS 3-3-2-8 right now, 1.9 volts.

I think I've found a nice latency v.s. speed here, eh?

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