I think i killed it...

[zer0]

i think i killed my mother board i installed the water cooling system and has a small leek fixed it my computer will not power on anymore.

i will trun on the power supply and the power led comes on but the power button will do nothing (was working before)

there is no water anyware in the case besides the cosed loop but i think i shorted it out. witch means i wont just have to order a new hard drive but ill have to order a new mother board and i realy dont want to do that.

PLEASE HELP!

ok well i fiddled with a wire and pushed the power button and it started working again flawlessly!
on that note my water cooling system isnt quiet at all infact it is very annoying and sounds like an aquerium and makes me have to peee so please help me fix it....

btw the bubbles are all gone...

[Fibbles]

on that note my water cooling system isnt quiet at all infact it is very annoying and sounds like an aquerium and makes me have to peee so please help me fix it....

btw the bubbles are all gone...
Is the noise comming from the pump? It could be the pump's normal noise, if it's a sort of high pitched whine. That's why you'll want the fan controller. You might want to tilt the computer in different directions to make sure all of the air is out, and not just hiding in the rad or pump etc.

What fan do you have on the rad?

[Delirious]

fan selection is everything with water cooling, not so much if you dont care about noise. :wacko:

Is the pump mounted with a pad under it and bolted down or is it just sitting in the case?

[zer0]

no it sounds just like an aquarium the pump does make its normal wineing type noie but that isnt annoying at all (and that dosent make me have to pee). but i think the noise is because i have air in the system but i dont know how to get it out with the sysetem in my computer.

[Delirious]

no it sounds just like an aquarium the pump does make its normal wineing type noie but that isnt annoying at all (and that dosent make me have to pee). but i think the noise is because i have air in the system but i dont know how to get it out with the sysetem in my computer.
Yah i know the noise your talking about. theres probably some air traped in the radiator.

Just turn the comp off but leave the pump running and tilt the case numerous times till all the air works itself out. It might take a while.

Are u using a res.

[Starbuck3733T]

I've had the same thing during priming sessions.

1 - what are you running for coolant?

2 - have you whacked your pumps house a few time lightly with a screwdriver

3 - do you have any bubbles sticking to the insides of the tubing even though everything else is running clear?

[zer0]

Yah i know the noise your talking about. theres probably some air traped in the radiator.

Just turn the comp off but leave the pump running and tilt the case numerous times till all the air works itself out. It might take a while.

Are u using a res. ok well do...

yes im useing a reservor... the weird thing i noticed is we used the same water 2 times the first time was when we tryed putting the loop in as a one pice the second time was when we put it in as seperate componits the diffrence is with the same amount of water the water level in the res we higher the second time. i think there is still air in the water block (even though we perged it a few times.


I've had the same thing during priming sessions.

1 - what are you running for coolant?

2 - have you whacked your pumps house a few time lightly with a screwdriver

3 - do you have any bubbles sticking to the insides of the tubing even though everything else is running clear?
1 Zerex Racing super coolant
2 no but i just flocked both of them a few times with my finger and nothing happened.
3 no everything is clear i had bubbles last night but they were gone this morning.


also im getting temps ranging from low 20sC (when i start the computer) to 30C idel (same temp my air cooling was getting.)

oh and for the fan im using for the radiator im using the 120mm fan that came with my case. its blowing in to the radiator but there is a gap of about an inch in between the fan and the rad. also do i need to keep the real 80mm fan in the back it seems to be runing at a very low rpm but i dont care if i keep it the fan isnt audible its the 92mm fan on the top that makes all the noise now.

edit eather i have extream flow with vortexes forming in the tubing or i have smal bubbles that seem to gather in the middle of the tubbing as they are pushed though the loop.

[Delirious]

the gurgling sound would be air that gets traped and everyonce and a while gets dislodged.

haveing the fan an inch away from the radiator is probably hurting your temps somewhat. You should see if u can get a shroud for it (best option) or atleast mount the fan to it.

what radiator/heatercore are u using?

[Starbuck3733T]

Fans pulling air through the radiator is the best way to go.

Hrm. What % of the zerex are you running? 50/50 to start, but if you're running pure zerex you're probably getting foam in the impellar. I'm with fibbles- fiddle with the pump to see if you can dislodge the air.

Also, what mounting method do you have on the pump? It could be vibration from the pump vibrating the case.

[zer0]

just the 2 screws through the bracket thats on the pump. no im not using just the coolant im using about half a 5 oz bottle in my system with the rest being water. we niticed the foaming and added more water and everything equiled out. im 90% shure the air isnt in the pump i have seen the inside of the pump and there is noware air could hide. i think the air is in the water block and the radiator. and as soon as i can i will try tuilt my computer on its side and turn it upside down and randome possitions trying to disloge the air.


also i have already desided what my next mod will be (based upon size and the fact that i already have the case.) ill be modding a gate way case just like the one BuffaloBoy just modded.

(but first you will see the restoration of my $30 case (basicly just sanding it down and repainting it for my brother.)

[Starbuck3733T]

Good, good then :)

[dutchcedar]

If you can, put a rubber pad under that pump... if ya haven't already. <_<

[zer0]

the pump isnt lound at all even without a fan speed controller. however while perging the entire system i found something out.

we accadintaly put the in and the out in the wrond places on the reservor and they should be reversed n order to keep air out of the system.

here is a pic of the radiator

http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product_image.php?imageid=166
there is a large holding area and a small area. we have the outlet on the small area and the inlet on he big area what happening is the pump is emptying the small area faster than water can travel between the two causing the pump to take gulps of air.

now because switching the 2 would be a big pain in the ass and might cause my hardware to get wet again i dont want to do this until i am fully redy to eather move the system or change something. what i want to ask now is is it ok to have air in your system if it does not hurt the temps?

(im getting temps around the mid 20s to the low 30s.) i know the temps can go lower and probly will once this issue is resolved but until then i want to know that its ok that i have air in the system and that i dont have to wory about preforming emergancy sergy on my system because of this small mistake.

(i cant wait till i can build that gate way mod... haveing a bigger case is a must for water cooling if you are using big fatty tubbing like me...

(as far as water cooling i think ill go with the small tubing the aqua computer stuff uses for my next water cooling system...)

[jaguarking11]

Belive it or not the vortex your geting is because your pump is extremly powerfull. You should slow it down with a fanbus. You probly will get better temps if you slow the flow a bit.

Those pumps are known to cause cavitations on tubing and vortexes.

what order are you runing your loop?

The order should be as follows.

Res----> pump----> rad----->block---->res.

This way you will minimise the chance of vortexes.

Also fans should be pushing air through your rad (though you may want to try a push pull fan system on the rad) also the air coming from the rad should be pushed out the case. and you should have at least one fan pushing air in the case. Probly a back fan.

Sounds like your system is back online.

[zer0]

well the order is

radiator>>res>>pump>>water block>>back to radiator

the only reason its like that is the pump is realy close to the radiator and having it that close would caus a kink (only way we could fit it all in there.) also any idea on if the air is ok?

(ill think about slowing down the pump (meaby put it on 5 volts if it will work... but its not at the top of my list right now.)

[fivecheebs]

The air will be hurting your temps, and possibly damaging the pump. Cavatation is bad mmmkay!

Can you remove the res and have it vertical while you are trying to bleed the loop? Also keep it topped up to the max all the time. If the pump is sucking in air continuously your just chasing your tail. You need to top up the res, then tilt the case around (if you can keep the res tilted upright at the same time as wiggling the case that will probably help some. Try to imagine the air passing through the rad and tilit it about so you can get the air out. i.e where will the air bubble sit in normal orientaion, where does it need to go to get out.

Do you have the outlet of the block higher than the inlet? That will help with removing bubbles from inside the block.

[Delirious]

yah fivecheebs hit the nail on the head, just keep the res filled to the max and it should be fine.

As far as the flow being to high and lower flow giveing better temps, thats pretty much a myth.

you can read more about watercooling myths at procooling.com
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=10301&highlight=watercooling+myths

[zer0]

ok here goes... i have perged the system and put it it several diffrent angels to let the air out of the system and it has worked. as far as filling the res all te way up it is filled to the point where if we add more the res will over flow and drown my computer. the problem i with the turbulance in the resovor (i think that describes it) basicly the water is coming very quickly and hitting the back wall and then setteling down on top of that we have my little res issue i talked about in my last post.

i know there is a way that i can take the resorvor out with out drainin the whole loop (and i know i can take the whole loop out and drain it all) but the last thing i want to happen is for my computer to fritz out like it was so doing anything invilving the wc syste at this moment is not something my mind can handel...:eek:

[Delirious]

if its any comfort, as long as its not running it wont really hurt it. Ive sprayed water on various components due to my carelessness. All u need to do if that happens is to place it in a warm spot and let it dry for a day or so.

But if its easy enough to take the whole loop out then just do that.

[Starbuck3733T]

If you can put in a blocker between your res inlet and outlet, so that the bubbles are bounced upwards, that might help. my danger den cylindrical res has this and it works pretty well.

[zer0]

my res has a blocker and its hard to see whats happening unless you see it in person.

anyways dark magic is done. ill take some pics and upload them as soon as i get the new hdd.

i plan to start the gate way mod after im out of school but its too stress full to work on any mods right now as im closing in on the end of the school year and i have about 10 big things i need to finish in order to get all my credits... (and i realy want to get them all so i dont have to spend any more time in school)

anyways my new hdd should be here on thursday.

[Starbuck3733T]

Glad to hear everything is working out okay - be patient... it's worth it (Hell, i've been cracking at it for almost 3 years now (embarrasing i know...))

[zer0]

Glad to hear everything is working out okay - be patient... it's worth it (Hell, i've been cracking at it for almost 3 years now (embarrasing i know...))
not realy your going to collage im going to high school
i would expect some one to be going to collage for atleast 4 years.

(wrighting the damn childrens book that my teacher assigned me is realy made hard by the fact that my computer is down and i cant print anything)

[Da_Rude_Baboon]

he he i think he was talking about his watercooling project. :lol:

[Starbuck3733T]

he he i think he was talking about his watercooling project. :lol:

Yup, I finished college 3 years ago :)

[zer0]

Yup, I finished college 3 years ago :)
oh hahah i thought you were talking about school because i posted my little thing about how i have 10 things left to do before school is over...

if thats the case 3 years of water cooling then damn can i have the stuff you dont use any more... :P (im a sucker for free stuff...)

[Starbuck3733T]

I sold most of it already. Goliath aint exactly new insides. pretty run of the mill mobile P4, 128MB Radeon 9800 pro, 4GB of PC4000 ram (well, that's new). The stuff I do @ home WRT programming and work can get kinda memory hungry.

[zer0]

oh well... all i need is a water block for my video card and that isnt too expencive i got everything elts i figure once i spend the $100+ on making your first setup the rest of it should be some what cheeper as you can just add to it or replace things rather than have to buy it all at once.


my next biggest thing is trying to find a computer/server of some kind at a yard sell so i can have a central server for my network (witch will host files deal with windows and linux logins and meaby act as a dhcp server...) i dont think i will need it to be too powerful but hey i can always upgread... and i might even find a mips or sparc server like my friend in canada found at a yard sell.

[zer0]

my dad and i just fixed the issue i was having with the res and now i have very little aquarium noise (thus i have to pee less) however we are having this problem. the res is filled to the max we couldent fill it any more no matter how we tryed however the pump is still drawing the accasional bubble of air i think its from the water only covering part of the outlet however as i said i cant fill the res any more with out it over flowing. how might i fix this problem (it is drawing a lot less air than before.)

also i was able to get my data off my old hdd witch is awsome so now i dont have to pull all my music off my Zen. or try and relocate some of my stuff.

however windows is being a pain and not authentacating like it should seems the new hdd changed a number in the actavation code and made windows not able to regester.

oh well eventualy i will call Microsoft and complain.