looking for cars and found 1985 BMW 735i

[zer0]

i have been looking for cars for a wile now and at first i wanted a 240sx or an mr2 but after talking to a friend of mine i got the idea of cleaning up and tuning (guess you cant sup up a european car...) a 1985 BMW 735i

have a look at this car
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=181303221&dealer_id=56213290&car_year=1985&make=BMW&distance=100&lang=&max_price=&model=&sort_type=priceASC&end_year=2006&min_price=&certified=&address=98277&search_type=both&advanced=&start_year=1981&isp=y&cardist=37
and tell me if having it detailed and painted would make it look more like this 735i
http://www.bmwe23.de/achim_735i.htm
(if i read it right they are from the same year.)

if you think that would make it look almost as good as the german one i think i could take the tuning from there...

i still dont know enough about the car to make a good desision on wheather or not its fully intact or if ill have to have extra work done (upulstly electronic etc.) but if you can tell me if you think detaling and a paint job will make a world of diffrence on how this car looks i will seriusly concider buying this car and will get in contact with the seller.

(sorry if i was confusing...)

[2JSC]

BMW's are really cool - but the big ugly boats that they made in the 80's are crap(IMO). Might I ask what you are willing to spend on a used car? If your wanting an import(japanese) - I'd look into a Civic... I know, I know, Rice. But Civics can look really good with with little work and little money. Also check out the '90-'93 Acura Inegras, its a nice Coupe(or 4-Door) with just as many aftermarket manufacturers as for the Hondas(Acura is Honda).

1990 Honda Civic 4-Door
http://www.jtuned.com/media/gallery%2Farticles%2Fchad%2F06%2Ejpg

And if a Honda isn't what you want, what about a Mazda RX7(86-92)? They pretty easy to find and usually very cheap. With a little work they can be a monster. Also consider the Mazda Miata(might be too small)... there is actually a huge community that is devoted to the Miata. I know a guy with a supercharged one making 230Hp, its a beast!

If Mazda's aint your thing, think Toyota! An '86-'92 Supra is a power monster! With a 3.0L Turbo I-6, its easy to make 400Hp. They are quite common and pretty cheap. Although they are harder to find parts for, the results are amazing. My friend bough a '92(Turbo/Auto) about 4 months ago and he's making about 350hp with very few mods.

And then there is Nissan... the 240SX is a great car! There are tons of parts available for these and you got almost limitlesspossibilities! The stock 2.4L I-4 makes a good ammount of power with a simple Turbo bolt on kit, but then there is the JDM SR20DET motor thats natually Turbocharged and can make great amounts of power(relitivly cheap for an engine swap).

Also! What about a Subaru!? An Impreza 2.5RS is an awsome car! And with AWD, its a perfect canidate for Autocross racing. There is a great community that is totaly dedicated to the Subaru Imprezas and other models.

But when it comes down to it, be original. A BMW wouldnt be my first choice, but it would deffinatly be a nice car after some work. If you want Luxury, what about Lexus(Toyota), or Infinity(Nissan)? But whatever you get, its gonna be cool - because its your own. :D

Sorry for the looong reply, I like cars, especially imports.

[jaguarking11]

Unlike 2JSC im a domestic kinda guy.

If you want a cheep performer in the domestic relm you have allot of choices.

1 late 70's camaro with a 350ci motor can make heaps of power and can be a gr8 cruser. A runing sample of a 78 can be had for less than a grand.
The 350motor is one of the most popular motors of all time and the posibilities for parts are limitless. Form making 300hp and scaring the neighberhood with a strait pipe to a full fledged 1/4mile beast making over 2000hp a 350 has parts for and everything in between.

Then you have the 80's camaros. Those are cheep enough but stick away from the v6 models.

You have pontiac firebirds from the 80's (gr8 looking car if you ask me)

All those cars use the 350 motors.

You can also pick up a fine example of a fox mustang from 89 for about 3grand and the 5L v8 on those things is nothing short of a blast to drive. lost of toruque and the parts for it are limitless.

you also have early chryslers like a plymouth voyager from say 93 can be had for about 2500bux in good shape. I have seen those things turbocharged and they are beasts. They use the same motors that misubishi lader on used on their 4wd eclipse turbo v6 models. (yes mitsubishi bought motors from chrysler)

The I have some of my favorite cars from then.
The all time long runing cars from them are many but my favorite are 2.
Caprice classic from the late 80's can be a gr8 looking hotrod with black paint thats flat and some flames along with some chrome weels.

Or the lincoln town car from 89. (can be had for less than a grand with about 100k miles)
These cars are known to hit over 1/2 a million miles with cab duty so a civilian one should be able to do twice that.

The lincoln from then uses a very similar motor to the mustang so the parts are interchangable and you can have a hotrod lincoln if thats your taste (it shure is myne)

Of coruse if you want small and light and thrusty nothing wrong with a probe. Ford made the probe gen 1 in 89-92 and gen 2 in 93-97.

The 93-97 is my favorite model and the parts for it can be found to increse hp and performance. (I have seen 12sec 1/4miles probe gt's)
Also if you like body kits and the sort this car can look very good with those as well. And also is very cheep to atain.

Hope this helps.

[2JSC]

you also have early chryslers like a plymouth voyager from say 93 can be had for about 2500bux in good shape. I have seen those things turbocharged and they are beasts. They use the same motors that misubishi lader on used on their 4wd eclipse turbo v6 models. (yes mitsubishi bought motors from chrysler) Actually Chrysler & Mitsu developed the motors together... Remeber the Mitsubishi Startion? Was the start of the DSM(Diamond Star Motors) cars, Laser, Talon, Eclipse blah blah Blah... and the 3.0L V6 you are refering to that is in the Voyager, is the same V6 out of the Mitsu 3000GT(aka Dodge Stealth)... might be why you've seen one turbo'd or Twin Turbo since thats how some of the 3000GT's came(VR4 - AWD Twin Turbo). The Chrysler Lebaron had a 2.0L Turbo I-4, same one out of the early Eclipse.

Just thought I'd thread-jack for a sec :lol:

[zer0]

BMW's are really cool - but the big ugly boats that they made in the 80's are crap(IMO). Might I ask what you are willing to spend on a used car? If your wanting an import(japanese) - I'd look into a Civic... I know, I know, Rice. But Civics can look really good with with little work and little money. Also check out the '90-'93 Acura Inegras, its a nice Coupe(or 4-Door) with just as many aftermarket manufacturers as for the Hondas(Acura is Honda).

1990 Honda Civic 4-Door
http://www.jtuned.com/media/gallery%2Farticles%2Fchad%2F06%2Ejpg

And if a Honda isn't what you want, what about a Mazda RX7(86-92)? They pretty easy to find and usually very cheap. With a little work they can be a monster. Also consider the Mazda Miata(might be too small)... there is actually a huge community that is devoted to the Miata. I know a guy with a supercharged one making 230Hp, its a beast!

If Mazda's aint your thing, think Toyota! An '86-'92 Supra is a power monster! With a 3.0L Turbo I-6, its easy to make 400Hp. They are quite common and pretty cheap. Although they are harder to find parts for, the results are amazing. My friend bough a '92(Turbo/Auto) about 4 months ago and he's making about 350hp with very few mods.

And then there is Nissan... the 240SX is a great car! There are tons of parts available for these and you got almost limitlesspossibilities! The stock 2.4L I-4 makes a good ammount of power with a simple Turbo bolt on kit, but then there is the JDM SR20DET motor thats natually Turbocharged and can make great amounts of power(relitivly cheap for an engine swap).

Also! What about a Subaru!? An Impreza 2.5RS is an awsome car! And with AWD, its a perfect canidate for Autocross racing. There is a great community that is totaly dedicated to the Subaru Imprezas and other models.

But when it comes down to it, be original. A BMW wouldnt be my first choice, but it would deffinatly be a nice car after some work. If you want Luxury, what about Lexus(Toyota), or Infinity(Nissan)? But whatever you get, its gonna be cool - because its your own. :D

Sorry for the looong reply, I like cars, especially imports. quite funny you read my mind on half those cars... but i will stay away from honda because EVERYONE in town has one (looks like a city of clones...) well atleast everyone who thinks they can race or wants a cheep car or as some weird fetish for hondas...

as far as the other cars i have looked in to rx7s 240sxs supras and so on but my ideal limit is $1500 thats the amount I have saved up on my own. if i talk to my perants i supose i could get to someware around 2 grand but i still would rather buy it on my own.

and im sorry jaguarking11 but i am also looking for a car that i can spend some of my money on tuning it instead of spending my money on filling up the tank because i just emptyed the tank driving around town for half and hour (i know exaduration but im basicly saying i love those cars but i think it would be sitting the grage too much as i couldent pay for gas.)

i dont know if my limit is $1500 i realy think im in a tight spot...

i do have thease cars to show you but i have to say they do seem a lil fishy....

http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=182162284&dealer_id=56289962&car_year=1986&make=MAZDA&distance=100&lang=&max_price=&model=RX7&end_year=2006&sort_type=priceASC&min_price=&certified=&address=98277&search_type=both&advanced=&isp=y&start_year=1981&cardist=14
a frend of mine who owns an RX7 says its a nice car but that i should say away from it if it has an oil leek (suposidly its a pain in the ass to fix as it ususaly some front seel thats broken.)

(well the car i was going to link to was a 240sx that the seller wanted $775 for witch i think is too low concidering the kbb of that car in all but poor condidiont was in the 2 grand + area.)

what about http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=182623417&dealer_id=54471315&car_year=1991&make=MIT&distance=100&lang=&max_price=&model=&sort_type=priceASC&end_year=2006&min_price=&first_record=26&pager.offset=25&certified=&address=98277&search_type=both&advanced=&isp=y&start_year=1981&cardist=75
im a fan of the way Mitsubishi Galants look but this one being an auto knocks it down a slot...
then then there is
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=182769879&dealer_id=1366500&car_year=1992&make=MIT&distance=100&lang=&max_price=&model=&sort_type=priceASC&end_year=2006&min_price=&first_record=26&pager.offset=25&certified=&address=98277&search_type=both&advanced=&isp=y&start_year=1981&cardist=33
(i know everyone seems to have eclipes too)

[2JSC]

Well - out of the 3 you listed, the Eclipse would be the best shot(I guess). And what your buddy says about the oil leak on an RX-7, yah, it can be a total pain. You have to dismantel the whole motor and replace the Apex-seals if its that bad. :mad: I Know a guy with a '91 Eclipse GSX and its a total killer. It started its life as a GS, non-turbo p.o.s.. He bought a used 4G63 Turbo motor & AWD drivetrain and built up the motor in the garage, and one weekend he dropped it in and the car went from making ~110hp to over 240Hp + AWD :D

I know what you mean by "every one has civics" - and feel the same way, but you gotta look at it like this. You one see the guys with the ricy cars because there are thousands more of them out there. And to see the nice ones, you got to look a little harder. There are guys that buy everything from Auto-Zone, and then the ones that buy thier stuff from the real companies(HKS, Blitz, Mugen, etc).

What about a Honda Prelude? I think they are pretty nice, and they can be when done up right.
http://tunerzine.com/articles/2005/featuredcar/issue06/MatthewsPrelude/images/Velvia-10s.jpg

Or an older Civic Hatchback(1994)
http://tunerzine.com/articles/2005/featuredcar/issue06/whitehb/images/IMG_5027.jpg

But with the "REAL" Honda tuners, its all about the JDM sleeper look(no body kits, huge wings, giant wheels).

It all depends on what you wanna do to the car, and what you like though. :D

[fillip]

Bah! if you're going Japanese get a Supra!! http://wizdforums.co.uk/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[zer0]

Bah! if you're going Japanese get a Supra!! http://wizdforums.co.uk/images/smilies/biggrin.gif if i could afford it...

[zer0]

Well - out of the 3 you listed, the Eclipse would be the best shot(I guess). And what your buddy says about the oil leak on an RX-7, yah, it can be a total pain. You have to dismantel the whole motor and replace the Apex-seals if its that bad. :mad: I Know a guy with a '91 Eclipse GSX and its a total killer. It started its life as a GS, non-turbo p.o.s.. He bought a used 4G63 Turbo motor & AWD drivetrain and built up the motor in the garage, and one weekend he dropped it in and the car went from making ~110hp to over 240Hp + AWD :D

I know what you mean by "every one has civics" - and feel the same way, but you gotta look at it like this. You one see the guys with the ricy cars because there are thousands more of them out there. And to see the nice ones, you got to look a little harder. There are guys that buy everything from Auto-Zone, and then the ones that buy thier stuff from the real companies(HKS, Blitz, Mugen, etc).

What about a Honda Prelude? I think they are pretty nice, and they can be when done up right.
http://tunerzine.com/articles/2005/featuredcar/issue06/MatthewsPrelude/images/Velvia-10s.jpg

Or an older Civic Hatchback(1994)
http://tunerzine.com/articles/2005/featuredcar/issue06/whitehb/images/IMG_5027.jpg

But with the "REAL" Honda tuners, its all about the JDM sleeper look(no body kits, huge wings, giant wheels).

It all depends on what you wanna do to the car, and what you like though. :D
ok well i guess you got me to look at hondas but my brother told me that i dont want anything from the 80s as i would be looking at a carborated car that is more likey to break down on me...

but because of that its neer impossable for me to find many cars im interested in...

infact the only one i could find under 1500 was this 91 honda civic
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=182016011&dealer_id=56277177&car_year=1991&make=any&distance=100&lang=en&max_price=1500&model=&end_year=2006&min_price=1&certified=&address=98277&search_type=both&advanced=&isp=y&start_year=1990&cardist=45
and this 1992 Alfa Romeo
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=182055387&dealer_id=56283201&car_year=1992&make=any&distance=100&lang=en&max_price=3000&model=&sort_type=priceASC&end_year=2006&min_price=1&first_record=101&pager.offset=100&certified=&address=98277&search_type=both&advanced=&isp=y&start_year=1990&cardist=82
and thats about the part where i stoped looking...

[jaguarking11]

Well early rx7 Rotory motors were a pain to work with and also had very limited lives. There are allot of rx7 cars with bum motors out there so be carefull.

As far as the cars I mentioned burning too mutch gas it is completly untrue. YOu can get a 350 to give you 20+mpg city with a good fuel injection converter and still make 300hp or more. And look at it this way you can have a hotrod starting ground in a fiew years when you can aford to sink a fiew more bucks in it.

The whole alfa thing, I like alfas, well absolutly love them. But one thing turns me off is that they cost allot of money to fix if anything should go wrong. And from my neck of the woods italian cars had a rep of being somewhat unreliable (especialy fiats) and alfa is manufactured by fiat.

If you do have your heart set on a jap import then a early gen supra will retail for the same price your looking for.

[zer0]

well thanks for the help everyone but i realy think my $1500 is too little to buy a good quality car (atleast with nothing wrong with it)

[2JSC]

ok well i guess you got me to look at hondas but my brother told me that i dont want anything from the 80s as i would be looking at a carborated car that is more likey to break down on me...

but because of that its neer impossable for me to find many cars im interested in...
Well dont throw out all Hondas(any year really), because even if its a carburated one, a newer gen motor will drop right it. Thats the beatuy of the Civics and such. You can take a 1989 Civic with a 1.6L and drop in a newer(fuel injected) 1.8L for almost nothing and practicly double your power output and reliablility. I've even seen a '92 Civic with a 2.2L out of a Prelude in it, and it fits in there perfectly. You wouldn't know its a 2.2L unless you knew what to look for ;).

If you look at the MKIII Supras('86-'92), they are Turbo 3.0L Fuel Injected making a stock ~260Hp... with a 3" exauhst, cool air intake, and a boost controler, you could be making 300+hp easy.
although its a little more than your budget, Here is one within your area - http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=182763066&dealer_id=52380163&car_year=1986&make=TOYOTA&distance=100&lang=en&max_price=2000&model=SUPRA&sponsorModel=&end_year=2006&min_price=1&certified=&address=98277&search_type=both&advanced=&isp=y&start_year=1985&cardist=36

I can vouch for them, amazing cars! Although the one I linked isnt a turbo, dropping in a turbo motor or converting it isnt very hard.

[zer0]

well its totaly possable i could buy that my brother insists that i dont want a car from the 80s... and im not quite shure driping a motor in a car is something i nor my brother know how to or want to do...

[2JSC]

well its totaly possable i could buy that my brother insists that i dont want a car from the 80s... and im not quite shure driping a motor in a car is something i nor my brother know how to or want to do...
Weather its a Civic or that Supra, doing a motor swap isnt that hard... may take a couple of weekends, but its not hard. I recently dropped a 4.0L I-6 into an '86 Jeep Comanchee :lol: If you look around, I'm sure there is a Supra club in your area.

But hey, its all up to you ;)

[Pug]

Audi? :wub:

[fivecheebs]

Right on bruv!

*strokes A4* B)

[2JSC]

Right on bruv!

*strokes A4* B)
I think an A4 might be a little outta his price range... but maybe an '88-'90 Audi Quattro CS Sedan? They are a pretty nice looking car, and the Audi motors are pretty stuout.

[fivecheebs]

Yea i think your right ... I was mearly agreeing with Pugs sentiments.

I think your on about an Audi 80 (at least thats what they call them here. Its the A4 sized car before the introduced the a# naming system. They are nice motors too.

*strokes A4 again* :wub: ;)

[2JSC]

Yah - its an Audi 80 CS Quattro, justbefore the A4 name, like you said... come to think of it, one of my friends used to have one. Great little car - although he never kept it for too long(couple of months)...

...and I wouln't mind having an A4 1.8T ^_^, but I'd rather stick with my plan of getting a WRX :wub:

[fivecheebs]

WRX = scooby right?

Well, your right, the WRX is an amazing car. However, and its a big one for me, the build quality just doesnt cut it. rattles, loose panels and flaps (just ask warpoc - he doesnt have a WRX but it is a scooby) squeeks and rattles that drive you round the twist.

When you get to my years in life ;) with a family etc. there are other considerations than out and out performance. What i love about my car is i can drive family style or take it out for a blat on a sunny afternoon to shift some cobwebs and I have a blast ^_^. TBH, i honestly cant see myself buying anything other than Audi for a main car again, as long as money permits. Ive never publicly mentioned in the past i drive a mrk 1 micra too ... inhereted it from my grandad when he gave up driving ... truely horrid, b ut really dependable car. I have torn feelings over it

[zer0]

i have an A4... its just not an Audi...
hehe i know im a smart ass...

but seriusly i dont think i have enought money to own or operate a car but here soon ill start teaching some begening computer classes under the table(so i dont loose dissability) (for some of my theropests friends who need to learn how to use there computer...) and if i charge $25 each person a night then i could make a good $100 a night with 4 or more people... that way i can earn plenty of money to be able to start looking at cars ... (hum 5 nights 4 people each night and i got a good 2 grand total to start looking at cars with...)

[Da_Rude_Baboon]

he he my mum had a base model gold mk 1 micra. The first car i drove after passing my test and damn it was pants!

[fivecheebs]

lol, absolutley true ... so pants. Its got the drivability of a steamy dog poo! BUT its soo cheap to run. less than 20 quid for a tankful of petrol that lasts forever in urban driving. Shame i cant say the same for the A4 but thats better fuel economy on the motorway..

[mnpctech]

I owned a mint `82 320i in 1989/90. I loved that car until it literally robbed my bank account.

My buds used to say "BMW = Bill - Meets - Woman" :D , aside from expenses in entertaining the ladies on the weekends, I was trying to emulate a caviar lifestyle on a 3.2 beer budget :rolleyes:

I'll never forget having to pay $40 for the plastic sunroof crank from the dealer :( I'd normally get parts from salvage yards, but it was so common for these sunrooof cranks to snap, any crank was already missing from the yard cars.

Great handling touring cars, but parts are real expensive.

[Knipex]

My first car was a Mark 2 ford escort witht he 1.3ltr cross flow engine. Cost me £50 irish pounds at the ime but was not road worth so only drove it in fields and on private roads.. Loved that car....

My first road car was a 1985 Opel Ascona 1.3ltr. Dead as a dodo. ZERO power but large (at the time) and comfortable. I paid £1,100 for it and sold it 2 years later for £1,300

Was offered it back for nothing two years ago but didnt have the space or time to restore it so turned him down. Sorry now :(

[2JSC]

WRX = scooby right?

Well, your right, the WRX is an amazing car. However, and its a big one for me, the build quality just doesnt cut it. rattles, loose panels and flaps (just ask warpoc - he doesnt have a WRX but it is a scooby) squeeks and rattles that drive you round the twist.
Yep - Subaru Impreza WRX, I donno if you guys across the pond had the WRX's before us, but we didnt get a WRX untill 2002:angry:... I have driven several different Subarus and love them! I got to drive an uncles 2000 Impreza 2.5RS and fell in love, but when he traded it in for a 2002 WRX Wagon, I died and went to heaven. I donno about build quality over there, but the Subarus are are excelent and reliability is top notch. Squeeks, rattles? Never heard any! :lol: Can't wait till I can get a '02-'03 WRX Sedan... Hey I'm young, and I can do what I want^_^... but when the time comes for a big family car, a Subaru Legacy will bea near the top of my list:wub:

[mnpctech]

2JSC,

Highly recommend STi over WRX :cool: I instruct the annual MN Autocross Novice school and had opportunity to drive one. It was like this :eek:

Before you commit to a Legacy, try out the Audi Avant :cool:

[2JSC]

2JSC,

Highly recommend STi over WRX :cool: I instruct the annual MN Autocross Novice school and had opportunity to drive one. It was like this :eek:

Before you commit to a Legacy, try out the Audi Avant :cool: Well I dont think I could afford an STi, not having that great of a paying job( yet :h34r: ), although I would love one, but I'm a bigger fan of the Bug-Eyes('02-'03)... I've gotten to ride in an STi with a few guys from here in Arizona at a Subaru meet, and I had the same expresion: :eek:+:wub: In the next few years(1-2) I want to go take a course at the Bob Bondurant Performance Driving School, my cousing took it and he enjoied it so much. Although they use american muscle cars(mustang, corvette), it will still help with performance driving and road racing.

But untill all that happens, I plan on getting a slightly used WRX and tuning it to the performance of an STi(~300+Awhp).

[Starbuck3733T]

Yeah, I dig the bug-eyes too.

Personally I'm on an acura kick. If I had my 'druthers tommorow I'd go out and buy a loaded 06 TL. 300hp and 6 speed standard... yum. then pump some goodies into it... not a racer, but a fast, comfy, luxirous crusier.

I was like :eek: when I played with it at the detroit auto show.

[2JSC]

Yeah, I dig the bug-eyes too.

Personally I'm on an acura kick. If I had my 'druthers tommorow I'd go out and buy a loaded 06 TL. 300hp and 6 speed standard... yum. then pump some goodies into it... not a racer, but a fast, comfy, luxirous crusier.

I was like :eek: when I played with it at the detroit auto show.
I'm the same way. Add a few power mods to the car for fun, not to race. Its a cruiser with the power to back it up. ^_^

[Da_Rude_Baboon]

I'm a bigger fan of the Bug-Eyes('02-'03)...
OMG! You and star are the ONLY people i have ever come acroos that liked that look! Subaru had to update the look of the car earlier then expected because that look killed their sales so much. Even the newer models havent been able to match the first series for looks. The we have the latest one which they turned into a hatchback! Herresy!

I like the P1's the best. :wub:

[zer0]

wow this thread got popular just when i well abandoned it...

[2JSC]

OMG! You and star are the ONLY people i have ever come acroos that liked that look! Subaru had to update the look of the car earlier then expected because that look killed their sales so much. Even the newer models havent been able to match the first series for looks. The we have the latest one which they turned into a hatchback! Herresy!

I like the P1's the best. :wub: Yah - Bug-eyes are really cool to me, donno why, just love em:wub:... Hatchback? You mean sport wagon? You got a pic of this "hatchback"? P1's are sweet, but the 22B is god when it comes to scoob's:lol:

[Da_Rude_Baboon]

Not sure what you guys call a hatchback. The standard imprezza is what we call a saloon with the boot/trunk out the back. A hatchback is like a Honda civic where the back window opens as part of the boot/trunk.


I will try and find a pic.

[2JSC]

Not sure what you guys call a hatchback. The standard imprezza is what we call a saloon with the boot/trunk out the back. A hatchback is like a Honda civic where the back window opens as part of the boot/trunk.


I will try and find a pic.
Trunk/boot is what a normal WRX is... and the wagon does have a hatch, but we call them "hot-hatches", mainly because of the steep decline like the new Civic Si or Type-R. But a regular hatchback isl ike on an Integra, Supra, 3000GT.

http://photos3.ebizautos.com/689/651276_4_350.jpg